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Most of this web site is available in book form as The Counter-Creationism Handbook , from Greenwood Publishing Group. The book also contains an introduction on countering creationism, illustrations, and an index. Other Links: CreationWiki rebuttal A Wiki is being assembled to respond to this Index from a Young-earth perspective. Creationist claims are numerous and varied, so it is often difficult to track down information on any given claim. Plus, creationists constantly come up with new claims which need addressing. This site attempts, as much as possible, to make it easy to find rebuttals and references from the scientific community to any and all of the various creationist claims. It is updated frequently; see the What's New page for the latest changes. Since most creationism is folklore, the claims are organized in an outline format following that of Stith Thompson's Motif-Index of Folk-Literature . Sections CA through CG deal with claims against conventional science, and sections CH through CJ contain claims about creationism itself. This collection is intended primarily as a guidepost and introduction. The explanations are not in depth (with a few exceptions), but most responses include links, references, and sources for more information. These are not just added for show. Readers are strongly encouraged to pursue additional reliable sources. We hope that readers will put in the effort to gain enough understanding of the subject so that they will not just parrot the information here, but will be able to explain it to others. The Complete List Links to Main Sections CA : Philosophy and Theology CB : Biology CC : Paleontology CD : Geology CE : Astronomy and Cosmology CF : Physics and Mathematics CG : Miscellaneous Anti-Evolution CH : Biblical Creationism CI : Intelligent Design CJ : Other Creationism Expanded Outline CA : Philosophy and Theology CA000 : Ethics CA100-CA499 : Epistemology CA100 : Foundation of Knowledge CA200 : Theory of Science CA300-CA499 : Scientific Method CA600 : Theology CB : Biology CB0 : Abiogenesis CB100 : Genetics CB200 : Molecular Biology CB300 : Physiology and Anatomy CB400 : Behavior and Cognition CB500 : Botany CB600 : Ecology and Population Biology CB700 : Developmental Biology CB800 : Systematics CB900 : Evolution CC : Paleontology CC0 : Physical Anthropology CC200 : Transitional fossils CC300 : Fossil Record CC400 : Methodology CD : Geology CD0 : Geochronology CD100 : Geological Column CD200 : Sedimentation CD300 : Evaporation CD400 : Glaciation CD500 : Mountain Building CD600 : Erosion CD700 : Geophysics and Plate Tectonics CD800 : Climate Change CE : Astronomy and Cosmology CE000 : Earth CE100 : Moon CE200 : Planets and Solar System CE300 : Sun and Stars CE400 : Cosmology CF : Physics and Mathematics CF000 : Second Law of Thermodynamics and Information Theory CF100 : First Law of Thermodynamics CF200 : Radiometric Decay CG : Miscellaneous Anti-Evolution CG000 : History CG100 : Linguistics CG200 : Folklore CH : Biblical Creationism CH000 : Biblical Creationism Generally CH100 : Biblical Accuracy CH200-CH799 : Young Earth Creationism CH200 : Age of the Universe CH300 : Death and the Fall CH350 : Created Kinds CH400-CH599 : Flood CH700 : Miscellaneous Young Earth Creationism CH800 : Day-Age Creationism CH900 : Geocentrism CI : Intelligent Design CI000 : ID as Science CI100-CI199 : Detecting Design CI200 : First Cause. CI300 : Anthropic Principle. CI400 : Meta-arguments CJ : Other Creationism CJ000 : Vedic Creationism CJ200-CJ499 : Native North American Creationism CJ500-CJ699 : Islamic Creationism Authors
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The order of fossils deposited by Noah's Flood can be explained by a combination of hydrologic sorting, differential escape, and ecological zonation.
...does so in great detail and with great consistency in many, many places. Flood geology does not give a detailed explanation anywhere; what little explanation it offers is extremely vague hand waving, inconsistent with observations. The geological record contains more than biological fossils....
Isaak, 1998. (see above) Krumenaker, Larry, 1995. Rhythm section. The Sciences (Nov/Dec.), 14-17. Sonett, C. P., E. P. Kvale, A. Zakharian, M. A. Chan, and T. M. Demko, 1996. Late Proterozoic and Paleozoic tides, retreat...
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The Flood deposited the geologic column.
...thick. Loess is wind-blown sediment that would not occur during a global flood. The Loess Plateau occurs around the downwind edges of the Ordos Desert, its source of sediments, and the grain size of the loess decreases the further one gets from the desert (Vandenberghe et al. 1997). The Loess...
...e Quaternary climate in the Chinese loess region by grain-size analysis. Geology 25(1): 35-38.
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Polystrate fossil trees show tree trunks passing through many layers and several meters of sediments. Obviously, the sediments must have been laid down suddenly, not at the gradual rates proposed by uniformitarian geology.
Sudden deposition is not a problem for uniformitarian geology. Single floods can deposit sediments up to several feet thick. Furthermore, trees buried in such sediments do not die and decay immediately; the trunks can remain there for years or even decades. Links: MacRae, Andrew, 1994. "Po...
Frey, Robert W., 1982. Sedimentology photo. Journal of Sedimentary Petrology 52(2): 614. Previous Claim: CC310 | List of Claims | Next Claim: CC332 created 2003-4-26
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The prostrate trees in the Specimen Creek fossil forests show similar orientation. This is consistent with the trees having been transported (as by a flood), not with the trees having grown in place over many years.
Some trees in the Specimen Creek fossil forests have been transported, but others clearly grew in place, including those on Specimen Ridge (Fritz 1980; Yuretich 1984a; 1984b). Links: MacRae, Andrew, 1994. Yellowstone Nat...
...ion of the depositional environment of the Yellowstone "fossil forests". Geology 8: 309-313. Yuretich, R. F., 1984a. Yellowstone fossil forests: New evidence for burial in place. Geology 12: 159-162. Yuretich, R. F., 1984b. Comment and reply on "Yellowstone fossil forests: New evidence for bu...
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Patterns of fossil deposition in Noah's Flood can be explained by ecological zonation. The lower strata, in general, would contain animals that lived in the lower elevations. Thus, marine invertebrates would be buried first, then fish, then amphibians and reptiles (who live at the boundaries of land and water), and finally mammals and birds. Also, animals would be found buried with other animals from the same communities.
...ta often appear in orders that contradict ecological zonation (and other flood deposition explanations). For example, North American midcontinent outcrops record at least fifty-five cycles of marine inundation and withdrawal (Boardman and Heckel 1989; Heckel 1986). That is, marine ecologies a...
...sive depositional cycles along midcontinent outcrop belt, North America. Geology 14: 330-334. Boardman, D. R. II and P. H. Heckel, 1989. Glacial-eustatic sea-level curve for early Late Pennsylvanian sequence in north-central Texas and biostratigraphic correlation with curve for midcontinent N...
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The Grand Canyon was created suddenly by the retreating waters of Noah's Flood.
We know what to expect of a sudden massive flood, namely: a wide, relatively shallow bed, not a deep, sinuous river channel. anastamosing channels (i.e., a braided river system), not a single, well-developed channel. coarse-grained sediments, including boulders a...
...thwest.net/utah/mexican_hat/goose_l.html Baker, V. R., 1978. The Spokane flood controversy and the Martian outflow channels. Science 202: 1249-1256. Bretz, J. H., 1969. The Lake Missoula floods and the Channeled Scabland. Journal of Geology 77: 505-543. NASA Quest, n.d. Mars Team online photo...
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Problems with a Global Flood Second Edition by Mark Isaak Copyright © 1998 [Last Update: November 16, 1998] Other Links: Problems with a Global Flood? Jonathan Sarfati of Answers in Genesis provides a rebuttal for this article for the True.Origins Archive . More Nonsense on "True.Or...
...Copyright © 1998 [Last Update: November 16, 1998] Other Links: Problems with a Global Flood? Jonathan Sarfati of Answers in Genesis provides a rebuttal for this article for the True.Origins Archive . More Nonsense on "True.Origins" Kevin Henke gives a response to Sarfati at Greene's Creationism Truth Filter The Miracle of Noah's Ark "Arkeologis...
...nked. Creation Science and Earth History A collection of devastating essays attacking flood geology and young-earth creationism. Contents 1. Building the Ark 2. Gathering the Animals 3. Fitting the Animals Aboard 4. Caring for the Animals 5. The Flood Itself 6. Implications of a Flood 7. Producing the Geological Record 8. Species Survival and P...
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Archive Section Flood Geology Flood geology FAQs from The Talk.Origins Archive. View entries Browse all sections Legacy Context "Lord, Lord! methought what pain it was to drown: What dreadful noise of water in mine ears! What sights of ugly death within mine eyes!" - William...
Archive Section Flood Geology Flood geology FAQs from The Talk.Origins Archive. View entries Browse all sections Legacy Context "Lord, Lord! methought what pain it was to drown: What dreadful noise of water in mine ears! What sights of ugly death within mine eyes!" - William Shakespeare, K...
...eyes!" - William Shakespeare, King Richard III [1592] Entries Problems with a Global Flood This article presents a list of questions that the story of Noah's Ark and a global flood leave unanswered and probably unanswerable, such as: How did all the fish survive? and, When did granite batholiths form? Flood Stories from around the World While...
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...CBS about the search for Noah's Ark. Friday night Ian Taylor spoke about "The Genesis Flood." The following is from a tape, as I didn't hear the lecture -- just a few highlights I'm not familiar with. Taylor claimed that Niagara falls has been retreating about 6 feet per year since the 1840s. I thought the accepted figure was around 3 feet a ye...
...India, Sumatra and into Australia. This is incontrovertible evidence for a worldwide flood, he said. He said the usual things about the Grand Canyon, but never said a word about the tremendous amount of evidence showing that the sediments were laid down over a long period of time. Taylor said that in 1988 a French Catholic scientist by the nam...
...a paper in a scientific journal and gave a lecture in Paris, about his experiments in flood geology. He took sedimentary rocks from somewhere in France, ground them down to their original grain size, colored them, and put them in a flume where they dropped out of the water flow in the same order they were found in the geologic column. This is s...
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...artelt [Last Update: June 24, 1998] Contents An Introductory Lecture Fossils and Post-Flood Man Geology and Fossils The Flood After the Flood Ancient History Evolutionists Creationists Miscellany and Conclusions References Dr. Karen Bartelt is an Associate Professor of Chemistry at Eureka College, Eureka, IL 61530. On January 9, 1998, a group o...
...] Contents An Introductory Lecture Fossils and Post-Flood Man Geology and Fossils The Flood After the Flood Ancient History Evolutionists Creationists Miscellany and Conclusions References Dr. Karen Bartelt is an Associate Professor of Chemistry at Eureka College, Eureka, IL 61530. On January 9, 1998, a group of about 25 skeptics visited the "M...
...troductory Lecture Fossils and Post-Flood Man Geology and Fossils The Flood After the Flood Ancient History Evolutionists Creationists Miscellany and Conclusions References Dr. Karen Bartelt is an Associate Professor of Chemistry at Eureka College, Eureka, IL 61530. On January 9, 1998, a group of about 25 skeptics visited the "Museum of Creatio...
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...© 1998 by Karen Bartelt [Last Update: June 24, 1998] Previous . . . Fossils and Post-Flood Man After the lecture, we were free to explore the museum. The museum brochure offers a "Journey Through Time", and promises answers to the following questions: "Do religion and science clash? Why is there pain and suffering in the world? What is the evi...
...h? Why is there pain and suffering in the world? What is the evidence for the Genesis Flood? How old is the earth? What about the origins of mankind, nations, and languages?" The brochure states: "You've heard the stories - now confront the facts!" I was eager to confront the facts, so I chose to explore on my own rather than join an organized...
...oors. I was most interested in the ICR's treatment of fossil humans, geology, and the Flood, however, so I concentrated my efforts in these areas. I was drawn first to "Fossils and Post-Flood Man" exhibit. The various fossils of pre- and archaic humans are represented by bas-relief skulls only. Although the skull representations seemed accurate...
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...in the ICR museum's explanations of the geologic column, radiometric dating, and the Flood. Is this the type of science that their graduate students learn? Here are examples of the misinformation and half-truths, along with my comments. The standard geologic column is found only in textbooks. Real local geologic columns vary widely from place...
...ite, especially the article entitled "The Geologic Column and Its Implications to the Flood." One has to go no farther than North Dakota to find a complete geologic column -- no textbook needed. Missing ages? Missing strata? No problem. Lehi Hintze's Geologic History of Utah describes about 100 local geologic columns for that state -- all diffe...
...ed by Organized Fossils , demonstrated that fossils were not randomly buried, as in a flood, but always occurred in a definite order in the geologic column. Marine species were often found between strata containing terrestrial species -- a real blow to flood geology. Smith never formulated a theory of fossil deposition and was, in fact, a liter...
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...and Science [off site] The FAQ Must-Read Files Evolution Creationism Age of the Earth Flood Geology Catastrophism Debates Court Decisions Post of the Month Bibliography Outline Index Search
...ience [off site] The FAQ Must-Read Files Evolution Creationism Age of the Earth Flood Geology Catastrophism Debates Court Decisions Post of the Month Bibliography Outline Index Search
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...f limestone caverns: ICR Impact Series, no. 79, p. i-iv. Clark, H. W., 1968, Fossils, Flood and Fire: Escondido, California, Outdoor Picture. Cooper, B., 1983, Human fossils from Noah's Flood: Ex Nihilo, v. 3, no. 3 (International), p. 6-9. Dillow, J. C., 1983, The vertical temperature structure of the pre-flood vapor canopy: Creation Research...
...: Escondido, California, Outdoor Picture. Cooper, B., 1983, Human fossils from Noah's Flood: Ex Nihilo, v. 3, no. 3 (International), p. 6-9. Dillow, J. C., 1983, The vertical temperature structure of the pre-flood vapor canopy: Creation Research Society Quarterly, v. 20, p. 7-14. Kulp, J. L., 1950, Flood Geology: Journal of American Scientific...
...national), p. 6-9. Dillow, J. C., 1983, The vertical temperature structure of the pre-flood vapor canopy: Creation Research Society Quarterly, v. 20, p. 7-14. Kulp, J. L., 1950, Flood Geology: Journal of American Scientific Affiliations, v. 2, p. 1-15. MacDonald, D., 1988, The Flood: Mesopotamiam Archaeological Evidence: Creation/ Evolution, v....